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Athyglisverš lesning - Sér ķ lagi žegar umfang afleišuvišskipta er sett ķ samhengi viš ašrar hefšbundnar hagstęršir į heimsvķsu og margfeldisvöxtur žeirra sķšasta hįlfan įratug.

Derivatives the new 'ticking bomb'

Buffett and Gross warn: $516 trillion bubble is a disaster waiting to happen

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
March 10, 2008


ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- "Charlie and I believe Berkshire should be a fortress of financial strength" wrote Warren Buffett. That was five years before the subprime-credit meltdown.

"We try to be alert to any sort of mega-catastrophe risk, and that posture may make us unduly appreciative about the burgeoning quantities of long-term derivatives contracts and the massive amount of uncollateralized receivables that are growing alongside. In our view, however, derivatives are financial weapons of mass destruction, carrying dangers that, while now latent, are potentially lethal."

That warning was in Buffett's 2002 letter to Berkshire shareholders. He saw a future that many others chose to ignore. The Iraq war build-up was at a fever-pitch. The imagery of WMDs and a mushroom cloud fresh in his mind.

Also fresh on Buffett's mind: His acquisition of General Re four years earlier, about the time the Long-Term Capital Management hedge fund almost killed the global monetary system. How? This is crucial: LTCM nearly killed the system with a relatively small $5 billion trading loss. Peanuts compared with the hundreds of billions of dollars of subprime-credit write-offs now making Wall Street's big shots look like amateurs.

Buffett tried to sell off Gen Re's derivatives group. No buyers. Unwinding it was costly, but led to his warning that derivatives are a "financial weapon of mass destruction." That was 2002.

Derivatives bubble explodes five times bigger in five years

Wall Street didn't listen to Buffett. Derivatives grew into a massive bubble, from about $100 trillion to $516 trillion by 2007. The new derivatives bubble was fueled by five key economic and political trends:
  1. Sarbanes-Oxley increased corporate disclosures and government oversight
  2. Federal Reserve's cheap money policies created the subprime-housing boom
  3. War budgets burdened the U.S. Treasury and future entitlements programs
  4. Trade deficits with China and others destroyed the value of the U.S. dollar
  5. Oil and commodity rich nations demanding equity payments rather than debt

In short, despite Buffett's clear warnings, a massive new derivatives bubble is driving the domestic and global economies, a bubble that continues growing today parallel with the subprime-credit meltdown triggering a bear-recession.

Data on the five-fold growth of derivatives to $516 trillion in five years comes from the most recent survey by the Bank of International Settlements, the world's clearinghouse for central banks in Basel, Switzerland. The BIS is like the cashier's window at a racetrack or casino, where you'd place a bet or cash in chips, except on a massive scale: BIS is where the U.S. settles trade imbalances with Saudi Arabia for all that oil we guzzle and gives China IOUs for the tainted drugs and lead-based toys we buy.

To grasp how significant this five-fold bubble increase is, let's put that $516 trillion in the context of some other domestic and international monetary data:
  • U.S. annual gross domestic product is about $15 trillion
  • U.S. money supply is also about $15 trillion
  • Current proposed U.S. federal budget is $3 trillion
  • U.S. government's maximum legal debt is $9 trillion
  • U.S. mutual fund companies manage about $12 trillion
  • World's GDPs for all nations is approximately $50 trillion
  • Unfunded Social Security and Medicare benefits $50 trillion to $65 trillion
  • Total value of the world's real estate is estimated at about $75 trillion
  • Total value of world's stock and bond markets is more than $100 trillion
  • BIS valuation of world's derivatives back in 2002 was about $100 trillion
  • BIS 2007 valuation of the world's derivatives is now a whopping $516 trillion

Moreover, the folks at BIS tell me their estimate of $516 trillion only includes "transactions in which a major private dealer (bank) is involved on at least one side of the transaction," but doesn't include private deals between two "non-reporting entities." They did, however, add that their reporting central banks estimate that the coverage of the survey is around 95% on average.

Also, keep in mind that while the $516 trillion "notional" value (maximum in case of a meltdown) of the deals is a good measure of the market's size, the 2007 BIS study notes that the $11 trillion "gross market values provides a more accurate measure of the scale of financial risk transfer taking place in derivatives markets."

Bubbles, domino effects and the 'bad 2%'

However, while that may be true as far as the parties to an individual deal, there are broader risks to the world's economies. Remember back in 1998 when LTCM's little $5 billion loss nearly brought down the world's banking system. That "domino effect" is now repeating many times over, straining the world's monetary, economic and political system as the subprime housing mess metastasizes, taking the U.S. stock market and the world economy down with it.

This cascading "domino effect" was brilliantly described in "The $300 Trillion Time Bomb: If Buffett can't figure out derivatives, can anybody?" published early last year in Portfolio magazine, a couple months before the subprime meltdown. Columnist Jesse Eisinger's $300 trillion figure came from an earlier study of the derivatives market as it was growing from $100 trillion to $516 trillion over five years. Eisinger concluded:

"There's nothing intrinsically scary about derivatives, except when the bad 2% blow up." Unfortunately, that "bad 2%" did blow up a few months afterwards, even as Bernanke and Paulson were assuring America that the subprime mess was "contained."

Bottom line: Little things leverage a heck of a big wallop. It only takes a little spark from a "bad 2% deal" to ignite this $516 trillion weapon of mass destruction. Think of this entire unregulated derivatives market like an unsecured, unpredictable nuclear bomb in a Pakistan stockpile. It's only a matter of time.

World's newest and biggest 'black market'

The fact is, derivatives have become the world's biggest "black market," exceeding the illicit traffic in stuff like arms, drugs, alcohol, gambling, cigarettes, stolen art and pirated movies. Why? Because like all black markets, derivatives are a perfect way of getting rich while avoiding taxes and government regulations. And in today's slowdown, plus a volatile global market, Wall Street knows derivatives remain a lucrative business.

Recently Pimco's bond fund king Bill Gross said "What we are witnessing is essentially the breakdown of our modern-day banking system, a complex of leveraged lending so hard to understand that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke required a face-to-face refresher course from hedge fund managers in mid-August." In short, not only Warren Buffett, but Bond King Bill Gross, our Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and the rest of America's leaders can't "figure out" the world's $516 trillion derivatives.

Why? Gross says we are creating a new "shadow banking system." Derivatives are now not just risk management tools. As Gross and others see it, the real problem is that derivatives are now a new way of creating money outside the normal central bank liquidity rules. How? Because they're private contracts between two companies or institutions.

BIS is primarily a records-keeper, a toothless tiger that merely collects data giving a legitimacy and false sense of security to this chaotic "shadow banking system" that has become the world's biggest "black market."

That's crucial, folks. Why? Because central banks require reserves like stock brokers require margins, something backing up the transaction. Derivatives don't. They're not "real money." They're paper promises closer to "Monopoly" money than real U.S. dollars.

And it takes place outside normal business channels, out there in the "free market." That's the wonderful world of derivatives, and it's creating a massive bubble that could soon implode.

Sjį nįnar: http://www.marketwatch.com

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QUOTE (dr. Müller @ Mar 13 2008, 17:23) *
Athyglisverš lesning - Sér ķ lagi žegar umfang afleišuvišskipta er sett ķ samhengi viš ašrar hefšbundnar hagstęršir į heimsvķsu og margfeldisvöxtur žeirra sķšasta hįlfan įratug.

Derivatives the new 'ticking bomb'

Buffett and Gross warn: $516 trillion bubble is a disaster waiting to happen

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
March 10, 2008


ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- "Charlie and I believe Berkshire should be a fortress of financial strength" wrote Warren Buffett. That was five years before the subprime-credit meltdown.

"We try to be alert to any sort of mega-catastrophe risk, and that posture may make us unduly appreciative about the burgeoning quantities of long-term derivatives contracts and the massive amount of uncollateralized receivables that are growing alongside. In our view, however, derivatives are financial weapons of mass destruction, carrying dangers that, while now latent, are potentially lethal."

That warning was in Buffett's 2002 letter to Berkshire shareholders. He saw a future that many others chose to ignore. The Iraq war build-up was at a fever-pitch. The imagery of WMDs and a mushroom cloud fresh in his mind.

Also fresh on Buffett's mind: His acquisition of General Re four years earlier, about the time the Long-Term Capital Management hedge fund almost killed the global monetary system. How? This is crucial: LTCM nearly killed the system with a relatively small $5 billion trading loss. Peanuts compared with the hundreds of billions of dollars of subprime-credit write-offs now making Wall Street's big shots look like amateurs.

Buffett tried to sell off Gen Re's derivatives group. No buyers. Unwinding it was costly, but led to his warning that derivatives are a "financial weapon of mass destruction." That was 2002.

Derivatives bubble explodes five times bigger in five years

Wall Street didn't listen to Buffett. Derivatives grew into a massive bubble, from about $100 trillion to $516 trillion by 2007. The new derivatives bubble was fueled by five key economic and political trends:
  1. Sarbanes-Oxley increased corporate disclosures and government oversight
  2. Federal Reserve's cheap money policies created the subprime-housing boom
  3. War budgets burdened the U.S. Treasury and future entitlements programs
  4. Trade deficits with China and others destroyed the value of the U.S. dollar
  5. Oil and commodity rich nations demanding equity payments rather than debt

In short, despite Buffett's clear warnings, a massive new derivatives bubble is driving the domestic and global economies, a bubble that continues growing today parallel with the subprime-credit meltdown triggering a bear-recession.

Data on the five-fold growth of derivatives to $516 trillion in five years comes from the most recent survey by the Bank of International Settlements, the world's clearinghouse for central banks in Basel, Switzerland. The BIS is like the cashier's window at a racetrack or casino, where you'd place a bet or cash in chips, except on a massive scale: BIS is where the U.S. settles trade imbalances with Saudi Arabia for all that oil we guzzle and gives China IOUs for the tainted drugs and lead-based toys we buy.

To grasp how significant this five-fold bubble increase is, let's put that $516 trillion in the context of some other domestic and international monetary data:
  • U.S. annual gross domestic product is about $15 trillion
  • U.S. money supply is also about $15 trillion
  • Current proposed U.S. federal budget is $3 trillion
  • U.S. government's maximum legal debt is $9 trillion
  • U.S. mutual fund companies manage about $12 trillion
  • World's GDPs for all nations is approximately $50 trillion
  • Unfunded Social Security and Medicare benefits $50 trillion to $65 trillion
  • Total value of the world's real estate is estimated at about $75 trillion
  • Total value of world's stock and bond markets is more than $100 trillion
  • BIS valuation of world's derivatives back in 2002 was about $100 trillion
  • BIS 2007 valuation of the world's derivatives is now a whopping $516 trillion

Moreover, the folks at BIS tell me their estimate of $516 trillion only includes "transactions in which a major private dealer (bank) is involved on at least one side of the transaction," but doesn't include private deals between two "non-reporting entities." They did, however, add that their reporting central banks estimate that the coverage of the survey is around 95% on average.

Also, keep in mind that while the $516 trillion "notional" value (maximum in case of a meltdown) of the deals is a good measure of the market's size, the 2007 BIS study notes that the $11 trillion "gross market values provides a more accurate measure of the scale of financial risk transfer taking place in derivatives markets."

Bubbles, domino effects and the 'bad 2%'

However, while that may be true as far as the parties to an individual deal, there are broader risks to the world's economies. Remember back in 1998 when LTCM's little $5 billion loss nearly brought down the world's banking system. That "domino effect" is now repeating many times over, straining the world's monetary, economic and political system as the subprime housing mess metastasizes, taking the U.S. stock market and the world economy down with it.

This cascading "domino effect" was brilliantly described in "The $300 Trillion Time Bomb: If Buffett can't figure out derivatives, can anybody?" published early last year in Portfolio magazine, a couple months before the subprime meltdown. Columnist Jesse Eisinger's $300 trillion figure came from an earlier study of the derivatives market as it was growing from $100 trillion to $516 trillion over five years. Eisinger concluded:

"There's nothing intrinsically scary about derivatives, except when the bad 2% blow up." Unfortunately, that "bad 2%" did blow up a few months afterwards, even as Bernanke and Paulson were assuring America that the subprime mess was "contained."

Bottom line: Little things leverage a heck of a big wallop. It only takes a little spark from a "bad 2% deal" to ignite this $516 trillion weapon of mass destruction. Think of this entire unregulated derivatives market like an unsecured, unpredictable nuclear bomb in a Pakistan stockpile. It's only a matter of time.

World's newest and biggest 'black market'

The fact is, derivatives have become the world's biggest "black market," exceeding the illicit traffic in stuff like arms, drugs, alcohol, gambling, cigarettes, stolen art and pirated movies. Why? Because like all black markets, derivatives are a perfect way of getting rich while avoiding taxes and government regulations. And in today's slowdown, plus a volatile global market, Wall Street knows derivatives remain a lucrative business.

Recently Pimco's bond fund king Bill Gross said "What we are witnessing is essentially the breakdown of our modern-day banking system, a complex of leveraged lending so hard to understand that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke required a face-to-face refresher course from hedge fund managers in mid-August." In short, not only Warren Buffett, but Bond King Bill Gross, our Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and the rest of America's leaders can't "figure out" the world's $516 trillion derivatives.

Why? Gross says we are creating a new "shadow banking system." Derivatives are now not just risk management tools. As Gross and others see it, the real problem is that derivatives are now a new way of creating money outside the normal central bank liquidity rules. How? Because they're private contracts between two companies or institutions.

BIS is primarily a records-keeper, a toothless tiger that merely collects data giving a legitimacy and false sense of security to this chaotic "shadow banking system" that has become the world's biggest "black market."

That's crucial, folks. Why? Because central banks require reserves like stock brokers require margins, something backing up the transaction. Derivatives don't. They're not "real money." They're paper promises closer to "Monopoly" money than real U.S. dollars.

And it takes place outside normal business channels, out there in the "free market." That's the wonderful world of derivatives, and it's creating a massive bubble that could soon implode.

Sjį nįnar: http://www.marketwatch.com


Sko, žaš nenna fįir aš lesa žessa rullu į ensku um afleišusamninga.

Žaš vęri skynsamlegt fyrir žig, og gott fyrir okkur hina, aš žś śtskżrir fyrir okkur leikmönnunum
hvaš afleišusamningar eru og hvernig žeir virka. Ég veit aš žaš er mikiš verslaš meš žetta į
mörkušum, og ég heyri oršiš "derivatives" nįnast ķ öšru hvoru orši, įn žess aš vita nįkvęmlega
viš hvaš er įtt (eru žetta kannski sjóšasjóšir, eša eitthvaš įlķka), en lesendur hér vilja vita
ķslenska heitiš yfir svona hugtök, til aš geta amk reynt aš skilja žessa umręšu, takk.
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QUOTE (hildur234 @ Mar 13 2008, 23:42) *
Sko, žaš nenna fįir aš lesa žessa rullu į ensku um afleišusamninga.

Žaš vęri skynsamlegt fyrir žig, og gott fyrir okkur hina, aš žś śtskżrir fyrir okkur leikmönnunum
hvaš afleišusamningar eru og hvernig žeir virka. Ég veit aš žaš er mikiš verslaš meš žetta į
mörkušum, og ég heyri oršiš "derivatives" nįnast ķ öšru hvoru orši, įn žess aš vita nįkvęmlega
viš hvaš er įtt (eru žetta kannski sjóšasjóšir, eša eitthvaš įlķka), en lesendur hér vilja vita
ķslenska heitiš yfir svona hugtök, til aš geta amk reynt aš skilja žessa umręšu, takk.


Framvirkur samningur er dęmi um afleišu (derivative). Ég geri t.d. samning viš žig um aš kaupa bréf ķ félagi A eftir 1 įr į įkvešnu gengi, žį eru bréfin ķ félagi A undirliggjandi eign samningsins en veršgildi samningsins tekur miš af undirliggjandi eigninni.
Žetta er bara eitt dęmi, žaš er til alveg hellingur af mismunandi tegundum afleiša.
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QUOTE (Zyklus @ Mar 13 2008, 23:59) *
Framvirkur samningur er dęmi um afleišu (derivative). Ég geri t.d. samning viš žig um aš kaupa bréf ķ félagi A eftir 1 įr į įkvešnu gengi, žį eru bréfin ķ félagi A undirliggjandi eign samningsins en veršgildi samningsins tekur miš af undirliggjandi eigninni.
Žetta er bara eitt dęmi, žaš er til alveg hellingur af mismunandi tegundum afleiša.


Ok, takk fyrir žetta svar. En getur žś frętt mig į t.d. af hverju einhver ašili vill kaupa
ķ félagi A eftir eitt įr. En af hverju svona langur tķmi? Margt getur gerst į einu įri,
félag A gęti hękkaš eša lękkaš?

En žegar ég hugsa meira um žetta, žį sżnist mér žetta vera svokölluš spįkaupmennska.
Ef Jón gerir samning viš Jónu um aš kaupa ķ félagi A aš įri į genginu x, er žį Jón aš
gera rįš fyrir aš gengiš verši x-hęrra eša lęgra aš įri? En ef honum skjįtlast, žį tapar hann
eša gręšir?

Skil ekki alveg hugsunina aš baki žessu, mišaš viš įr, en kannski eru žessi gęjar
aš miša viš styttri tķma?
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QUOTE (hildur234 @ Mar 14 2008, 0:25) *
QUOTE (Zyklus @ Mar 13 2008, 23:59) *

Framvirkur samningur er dęmi um afleišu (derivative). Ég geri t.d. samning viš žig um aš kaupa bréf ķ félagi A eftir 1 įr į įkvešnu gengi, žį eru bréfin ķ félagi A undirliggjandi eign samningsins en veršgildi samningsins tekur miš af undirliggjandi eigninni.
Žetta er bara eitt dęmi, žaš er til alveg hellingur af mismunandi tegundum afleiša.


Skil ekki alveg hugsunina aš baki žessu, mišaš viš įr, en kannski eru žessi gęjar
aš miša viš styttri tķma?


Ef mašur ętti aš koma meš klassķskt skólabókardęmi um afleišusamning žį gęti hann veriš meš eftirfarandi hętti:

Bóndi ķ lošdżrarękt semur viš kaupanda um fast verš į skinnunum fyrirfram nęstu tvö ręktunartķmabil. Meš žvķ móti tryggir bóndinn sig fyrir įföllum ķ tekjuhlišinni nęstu tvö ręktunartķmabil og getur einbeitt sér aš halda nišri gjaldahlišinni į mešan.

Kaupandinn er hins vegar aš tryggja sér ašgengi aš skinnaframleišslu į fastsettu verši sem hann er tilbśinn aš gangast undir nęstu tvö įrin. Žannig aš ef žaš veršur umframeftirspurn į skinnum į markaši og žį er hann ekki aš borga markašsverš fyrir skinninn, heldur fastsett umsamiš verš til bóndans. Meš žvķ móti tryggir hann sig fyrir hękkunum į skinnaverši į opnum markaši, en fęr beint ķ vasann hękkunina į milli umsamda veršsins og markašsveršs.

Svo eru ótal margir ašrir vinklar į žessu višskiptaformi, žannig aš birtingarformiš į žeim er alls ekki einskoršaš viš žetta einfalda dęmi sem ég nefndi hér aš ofan.

Og ķ sjįlfu sér ekkert slęmt viš afleišusamninga sem slķka žar sem žeir eru aš veita samningsašilum įkvešna tryggingu gegn óvęntri žróun į markaši.

Sķšan kemur nęsti vinkill - Segjum sem svo aš viškomandi kaupandi sé stórtękur ķ skinnabransanum og hefur gert afleišusamninga viš fjölmarga lošdżraręktendur, žį hefur hann jafnvel komiš sér ķ žį stöšu aš geta verslaš meš žessa afleišusamninga į żmsan žann hįtt sem honum lystir, s.s. gert ašra afleišusamninga viš fataframleišendur į móti samningnum viš bóndann, įframselt samninginn viš bóndann beint til fataframleišandans eša tekiš lįn śt į afleišusamninginn ef sżnt er aš skinnaverš fer stighękkandi į nęsta ręktunartķmabili sem kaupandinn gęti svo nżtt sér ķ t.d. hlutabréfakaup. Og į žeim tķmapunkti er bóndinn ekki einu sinni jafnvel bśinn aš hefja ręktun fyrir umsömdu tķmabil - Ķ greininni segir: "the real problem is that derivatives are now a new way of creating money outside the normal central bank liquidity rules"

Žaš sem greinin er aš benda į er hiš flókna samspil į milli efnahagsžróunar og umfang slķkra višskipta, aš afleišuvišskiptin sjįist ekki nógu vel inn į radarnum (vantar gagnsęi) hjį žeim sem eru viš efnhagsstjórn (t.d Federal Reserve ķ U.S., evrópski sešlabankinn ķ Frankfurt), til aš tękifęri sé fyrir hendi aš grķpa ķ taumana ķ tęka tķš ef į žarf aš halda.

Eitt argśmentiš er svo reyndar žaš aš efnhagsstjórnin bęši ķ U.S. og ESB séu žį ekki lengur meš žau skilvirku stjórntęki sem hśn hafši įšur fyrr og ętti ķ raun ekki aš vera aš reyna aš stżra, heldur leyfa hlutunum aš blįsa hressilega śt, t.d. taka śt 30-40% lękkun į hlutabréfamarkaši ķ einum hvelli.

Ef hins vegar į aš blįsa ķ efnahagsblöšruna enn og aftur (FED var nżveriš aš fleyta $200 milljöršum inn ķ bandarķska efnhagslķfiš), og žynna žar meš śt traustiš sem į viškomandi hagkerfi hefur (sķhękkandi gullverš er til marks um žaš), žį endar žaš bara į žvķ aš menn missa trśna aš lokum og ég held aš slķk lending vęri sś versta sem menn gętu vališ sér. Betra er aš taka įfalliš śt ķ einu sjokki heldur en aš lįta hlutina fjara śt hęgt og rólega lķkt og sandur śr greip, žegar til lengri tķma er litiš.
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- dr. Müller   Derivatives the new 'ticking bomb'   13. March, 2008, 17:23
- - Locke   517 trilljaršar ķ heildina. Hver er nettó talan. S...   13. March, 2008, 17:39
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- - rossi   Afleišur: Samningur į milli tveggja ašila sem žriš...   14. March, 2008, 0:07
- - feu   Lykilatrišiš er aš hér er veriš aš skapa nż veš. V...   14. March, 2008, 13:30
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- - jonr   Žetta er nįkvęmlega eftir fręšslumyndbandinu į you...   17. March, 2008, 13:28
- - dr. Müller   Rakst į įhugaverša innsżn ķ afleišuvišskipti ķ Ban...   22. March, 2008, 10:42
- - Zyklus   Nś tala žeir samt um aš botninum sé nįš og aš krķs...   22. March, 2008, 14:34
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